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    WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices

    semijim

      Hi There, T-Mobile.

       

      Hate to be a nag/broken record, but, in case it's fallen through the cracks...

       

      Please, please, please do whatever you must to work with Google to Find A Way such that you can add WiFi calling to T-Mobile customers' devices when they own handsets with "vanilla" Android, such as Motorola Moto X/G and Nexus devices.  I'm an ex-senior software developer, so I know smart, motivated people can find a way.

       

      Eventually, the HTC Sensation 4Gs my wife and I have on your network will need replacement.  I am disinclined to buy new handsets riddled with bloatware that makes them slow, laggy and inconsistent.  (E.g.: Tap something on the screen and wait.  Is it just being slow, or did it not register the tap?)  But we also require WiFi calling.  TMO is marginal in our home (tho it's supposed to be solid) and we travel to places where, quite frankly, TMO has no coverage.

       

      Please do not put us in the position of having to decide between usable handsets and T-Mobile.  We like you.  We want to stay with you.  But that won't overcome the need for usable handsets on a usable network.

       

      Thanks for your consideration of my plea,

      Jim

        • 1. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
          gramps28

          I just bought a Moto X and love it but I'm keeping my One S for the times I go out of the country for vacation/ in an are where I know I will need it just for the WiFi calling feature. Luckily I have great coverage where I live so I don't have to rely on it but it's a nice feature to have.

          • 2. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
            crichiban

            I have the Moto x direct from Motorola. A free app called MO+ is working for me to make internet calls. You will be prompted to setup a Google phone number which is free .

            • 3. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
              21stnow

              There are some of us who buy the vanilla Android devices to escape the bloatware.  There are plenty of T-Mobile branded phones to choose from that have the Wi-Fi calling feature for those that need it.

              • 4. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
                semijim

                crichiban,

                 

                1. I do not regard Google Voice an acceptable substitute for my T-Mobile service.

                 

                2. Google is killing that API come this month or next, so that app will die.  I've been playing with GrooveIP.  Same thing.

                 

                Jim

                • 5. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
                  semijim

                  21stnow,

                   

                  That is precisely my point. Putting my OP another way: I'm asking TMO not to force me to choose between handsets I do not want, due to the bloatware, and another carrier.

                   

                  Jim

                  • 6. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
                    deftones43079

                    I do not use a Vanilla Android device, but I do feel that all phones, not matter the differences, should have Wifi Calling..

                     

                    I had an old clamshell that had it and it was a lifesaver, especially in those areas where cell towers are "what's that" item..

                    • 7. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
                      stevetjr

                      Wi-Fi calling is part of OS/Baseband so therefore if it were added to a Nexus or Google Play device then it wouldn't be "vanilla android".  Yes Google could add the Kineto technology to the "Google" phones but then again would have to make it so it is defaulted for one manufacturer and I am not sure what tech Sprint is using for theirs but what if it is different now Google will be hacking up their "pure" version.  Until more carriers start offering it or their is a unified technology for it where it is truly integrated with phone I just don't see it happening.

                       

                      Yes there are other free apps that can be used for internet calling but they will nor can they act as seemless as the T-Mobile Wi-Fi calling nor have the same call quality but again that comes with the integration.

                      • 8. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
                        deftones43079

                        We can wish, or turn blue holding our breath.. 

                        • 9. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
                          w3wilkes

                          Yes we could just hold our breath, but we're better off expressing our opinion. I fully support semijim and hope we can get TMO to look closer at this issue. I think if any other carrier were going to do this they would have by now so TMO should work with Google to get this capability into Andriod since it doesn't seem to be doable with a straight up app.

                           

                          On the other hand since TMO encourages BYOD and also the use of native Google Play devices they should give those folks an additional discount to come to TMO from other carriers if the can't give us wifi calling. As it is now TMO charges us the same as those users that have TMO branded devices that can do wifi calling. Without wifi calling TMO should give us a price break for being a TMO customer since they don't give us the same capability they give their other customers.

                           

                          This would be an additional marketing+ John Legere could use to reel in new customers! Come on John, we always hear how you love to step up to a challenge. It's time for TMO to get this ball rolling with a app, a Google collaboration on adding this capability or a additional BYOD discount! Come-on John (Legere).

                          • 10. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
                            theartiszan

                            Why should they give a price break on a device they have no control over?

                            The Nexus type devices don't have T-Mobile software on them and are not designed for use on any specific network.

                            They sell basically the same device for use on all networks.

                            So if they add wifi calling to it that would be bloat ware for people that use it on other carriers and would require T-Mobile to handle tests of updates for all of the networks then to mae sure it is not over ridden by something else.

                            With their version of Wifi calling that uses IMS (the new implementation) it requires low level access and needs to be built into the device frame work and will not work as just a stand alone app to access the sim card for verification.

                            While they do sell the device it is not primarily for them and if they do add wifi calling to it that would make it a branded device and cause updates to also take much longer. Since they will need to work with it then too. And quicker updates directly from Google is the draw to these devices.

                            • 11. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
                              semijim

                              Adding the capability for the user to add WiFi calling need not add bloat.  TMO could work with Google to add the necessary APIs (application program interfaces) to the Android core such that WiFi calling could be an optional plug-in app that user's could optionally download (off the app store) and install, if they wanted.

                               

                              TMO (and the others) and Google would need to work out a mechanism for the app, device, service provider identity and user/owner identity to validate things, but I'm fairly confident it's doable.

                               

                              You don't want WiFi calling? Don't install WiFi calling.  You want WiFi calling?  Install Wifi calling.  But this would free WiFi calling from being chained to TMO-branded devices only.

                               

                              Jim

                              • 12. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
                                stevetjr

                                semijim wrote:

                                 

                                Adding the capability for the user to add WiFi calling need not add bloat.  TMO could work with Google to add the necessary APIs (application program interfaces) to the Android core such that WiFi calling could be an optional plug-in app that user's could optionally download (off the app store) and install, if they wanted.

                                 

                                TMO (and the others) and Google would need to work out a mechanism for the app, device, service provider identity and user/owner identity to validate things, but I'm fairly confident it's doable.

                                 

                                You don't want WiFi calling? Don't install WiFi calling.  You want WiFi calling?  Install Wifi calling.  But this would free WiFi calling from being chained to TMO-branded devices only.

                                 

                                Jim

                                 

                                Excerpt from an article in which the VP of Kineto explains it is in the Android Kernel and it is mostly a security issue and if you open up the ability to let Apps have access to the SIM which is what you would have to do to make it "an app" would be a big risk to every device that is why it is embedded in the kernel.

                                 

                                "A company called Kineto Wireless builds the software for T-Mobile, and then hands the handset manufacturer the necessary code to put in the Android kernel, which the Wi-Fi calling software hooks into to make secure calls. "This isn't an app that can be downloaded from the marketplace," explains Steve Shaw, VP of marketing at Kineto. "It comes pre-loaded on the phone and that has to do with primarily security." Much of the difficulty comes from doing SIM authentication over Wi-Fi, something most apps on the phone aren't allowed to touch."

                                • 13. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
                                  w3wilkes

                                  I thought much of the work had been done to provide a open source platform for TMO to use their IMS based wifi calling by Google. There is a project page here;

                                  http://code.google.com/p/the-ims-open-source-project-for-android

                                  Looks to me like T-Mobile and Movial have released the IMS source code to the android community.

                                  • 14. Re: WiFi Calling and Nexus/Motorola Moto Devices
                                    stevetjr

                                    I am sure they have but right in that article is this nugget;

                                     

                                    • Initial Registration using IMS AKA with ISIM (Note: OEM support is needed in order to access the ISIM application on UICC)


                                    So it sounds like the OEM's need to be on board and one probably doesn't want to do it unless the other does and then also why when you only have to carriers that are using it.  I suspect if AT&T and Verizon jumped on they the OEM's would probably have no issue building the US models with the technology. 

                                     

                                    But some of the comments seem to imply that T-Mobile needs to fix this and it is not within their domain.  It is all Google and the OEM's and I should throw Apple in since they also won't add it to their precious OS not even for the carrier as at least Samsung, HTC and et al does for T-Mobile.

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