9 Replies Latest reply: Jul 8, 2014 4:53 AM by binford46 RSS

Coverage for Carlisle PA

binford46

I know that someone else has advocated recently for a coverage in Carlisle, PA (3G or 4G Coverage for Carlisle, PA | T-Mobile Support, Coverage Upgrade in Carlisle, PAhttps://support.t-mobile.com/thread/42885) But since they're old, I'm adding another voice. I've already done the online TakeAction advocacy form (twice now) and I'm trying to make it known that 2G is just unacceptable in today's world.

 

Carlisle is home to Dickinson College, the Penn State Dickinson School of Law, the United States Army War College, and sees hundreds of thousands of visitors yearly for it's annual Car Shows. It is the county seat of Cumberland County, and it sits nicely in the Tmobile 2g coverage zone. Meanwhile, no more than 15 miles to the east, blazing fast 4g speeds exist in portions of the county in Mechanicsburg Borough- which has less of a population than Carlisle! Carlisle is a major transportation Hub- serving at the intersection of US Routes 11, 34, 641, 74, and interstates 81 and 76. The fact that Tmobile continues to under-invest in this area is really quite depressing.

 

I'm begging Tmobile to really consider a network expansion in the short-term, near future for this area. A tower for Tmobile sits at 351 East Louther Street in Carlisle, buts its the only one for a while.

 

Thank you.

  • 1. Re: Coverage for Carlisle PA
    itguy08

    I second this one.  Thinking of coming to T-Mobile and this is something holding us back!  EDGE IS UNACCEPTABLE IN 2014!!!

  • 2. Re: Coverage for Carlisle PA
    drnewcomb2

    I would say that EDGE can be acceptable in some very rural areas but not in a community with a population over 10,000. I've mentioned before that I have an issue with the Take Action site. I fail to see where it has anything to do with getting T-Mobile to rectify 2G/3G/LTE issues. Rather, it's all about supporting the building of cell towers. Well, if you've got 2G service, you don't need a new tower to upgrade that service. You just need T-Mobile to upgrade the tower's radios and backhaul. No new towers needed at all. It seems to me that "Take Action" is more about deflecting criticism from T-Mobile and placing the blame on "local officials." 

  • 3. Re: Coverage for Carlisle PA
    stevetjr

    T-Mobile does plan on upgrading their entire 2G network footprint to LTE and expects 50% of it to be completed by the end of 2014 and 100% complete by mid 2015.  Considering their record on their initial LTE roll-out which most tech pundits said was to aggressive and they would never meet and they actually then exceeded even their own aggressive roll out I suspect these goals have a realistic expectation of being completed. In an article by Neville Ray T-Mobile's CNO he points out the backhaul is where they need to attack and that means fiber which can't be done overnight.  I have attached a couple of links from interviews that he has given, the first is prior to their initial LTE rollout but you can see his vision and the last mentions this new just announced initiative.

     

    T-Mobile's Ray on the upside of LTE Advanced and whether they will call LTE '5G' - FierceWireless

     

    T-Mobile's tech chief: I want to decimate Verizon's map ad campaign - CNET

  • 4. Re: Coverage for Carlisle PA
    itguy08

    I get what you are saying it's just upgrading the network radios that is really the issue.  And it's not like Carlisle is a place that is out in the middle of nowhere.  We're a county seat, transportation hub, home to the War College, Carlisle Events, Ahold, Dickinson College, etc. 

     

    There are some dead zones out where we are (Middlesex Twp.) and they would be simple to fill in - lots of power lines and cell towers would go nicely there and fill in lots of gaps.

     

    I'd love for an area to watch the T-Mobile process buildout the network and a true place to have conversations about coverage spots.  The Take Action site is good but it's a 1 way feedback mechanism.

  • 5. Re: Coverage for Carlisle PA
    drnewcomb2

    itguy08 wrote:

     

    I get what you are saying it's just upgrading the network radios that is really the issue. 

     

    I don't know if you meant it to come out that way or not. The issue is that it's not "just upgrading the network radios". If you do that, you get a 3G/LTE signal that runs about 200 kbps because the backhaul won't support faster speeds. The backhaul has to be upgraded, really to fiber or something similar, before you can make any real improvement in network capacity. It's the backhaul that costs the most and takes the longest. The radios are a piece of cake.

  • 6. Re: Coverage for Carlisle PA
    stevetjr

    I am making an assumption but based on their LTE roll-out they went where they could make the biggest impact in terms of pops with some exceptions but I am sure their were other issues that dictated delays for certain large metro areas.  With the backhaul (fiber) the closer you are to a city center or existing 4G service which already has the backhaul you are not having to run fiber as far as you would for your more remote/rural towers so if you concentrate on these you can make a bigger impact on your network in a shorter time while in the background you work on your fiber needs that will take longer but this way you can make your bold 50% by the end of this year.

     

    Where I live in NW Atlanta at my house I am the first Non LTE tower so as soon as I drive 6 miles down the hill I pick up LTE and stay on LTE, with my assumption above I am hoping will be one of the first towers to get converted from 2G to LTE since they only have to take the back haul the 6 miles to the next tower which since it has LTE (and I hit 55mbps on it) obviously has the backhaul (fiber) to support it.

  • 7. Re: Coverage for Carlisle PA
    itguy08

    drnewcomb2 wrote:

    I don't know if you meant it to come out that way or not. The issue is that it's not "just upgrading the network radios". If you do that, you get a 3G/LTE signal that runs about 200 kbps because the backhaul won't support faster speeds. The backhaul has to be upgraded, really to fiber or something similar, before you can make any real improvement in network capacity. It's the backhaul that costs the most and takes the longest. The radios are a piece of cake.

     

    One would think that they have the backhaul already or is close.  I'd take a 200kbps usable signal with decent latency over the barely useable EDGE that is out there now in many of these locations.

     

    I guess it's all in due time.  I just wish there was an easy way to check status.

  • 8. Re: Coverage for Carlisle PA
    itguy08

    One thing those of us in Carlisle may want to do is use the Take Action site to bombard T-Mobile with requests for coverage here!   Can't hurt!

     

    T-Mobile TakeAction

     

    I've posted about an area that could use some updates here:

    Re: Wertzville Rd (Rt 944) Carlisle PA???

     

    Feel free to copy and paste!

  • 9. Re: Coverage for Carlisle PA
    binford46

    In the Washpo map for the Verizon spectrum purchase, Tmobile is going to improve up to Franklin/Cumberland line and stop at Lancaster. Nothing in this deal for Cumberland.

     

    And a nod to fiber- Carlisle has a lot of dark (and lit) fiber underneath it on main lines, I reject a lack of infastructure as the reason they aren't performing an upgrade. It's pretty clearly a lack of understanding of market share potential. New customers- war college students and international fellows, along with international students from Dickinson are going to want to use prepaid or low-cost cell services on their unlocked phone. Right now AT&T wins hands down in Carlisle for this (gophone sim). Their partners at Walmart and Target are losing out too as their coverage stinks in this area. Additionally things like the I81 and I76 interchange with all our truck stops make this a good place for them to do some serious business.

     

    Again, Tmobile, please consider this a priority upgrade, many of us are wanting to switch, but we can't with the horrendous coverage here.