You are probably right. I have noticed that the HTC products that I purchase from T-mo are always treated like hated step-children. Furthermore I believe each HTC device is a beta test for the next T-mo smartphone to come out 3-6 months later. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_elqLDSt36k
I personally believe that T-mo gets in the way of our updates. I think they need to back off and let HTC and Google work on the platform, and give us updates regularly. Something like the "Nightlies" you find on xdadevelopers. There has to be another way to handle these update/bug issues. I am slowly being pushed away from HTC products and "new" smartphones in general. I think my next phone will be used, and I will root/flash a stable working Custom ROM onto it.
I'm tired of T-mo and HTC......
We got ICS before a lot of other phones, so let's not get all bent out of shape here. I would like to see Jelly Bean on the Amaze, but no big deal if I don't. I would think the hardware will support it, so if nothing else, maybe I would finally root and flash a JB ROM if it comes to that point. I hope to have a new phone by then anyway...
All we need is a good kernel source and we'll be on Cyanogenmod or AOKP in no time. In fact, I would prefer that to another Sense-bloated, barely tested, never-to-be-fixed update from HTC. The community will give this phone life if HTC would just release a Kernel source that would actually function (the November release came sans-TI WIFI/LAN driver).
If anyone at HTC is looking at this, I want them to know that COMMUNITY support is what I am looking for in a phone. The Samsung Vibrant had a useless GPS, but the community was so stinking good that I actually miss that phone. I could get everything I wanted (I used an outboard bluetooth GPS when I really needed good location services).
I just loaded CM9 on an unlocked Samsung captivate (=Vibrant) to get a taste of AOSP ICS. It is shockingly smooth and agile considering that it's a 2 year old phone. I have been using the Captivate all weekend and if it were not for the frequency differences (edge/2g only and less coverage) I might have made it my daily driver.
Bottom line, more than anything else, we need complete kernel and driver source and we can probably have JB thanks to a community project.
Well, Android 4.1 just hit the AOSP repos. We're still less than 9 months since the Amaze4G was released.
I'm already close to just buying my future phones directly from Google Play, doubly so since the unsubsided, contract-free price is almost the same as what we pay in-store for contracted phones, and as Google's flagship devices they receive updates rapidly.
T-Mobile: If you don't get a clear update policy in place and commit to supporting the devices you sell, I have no need to buy them from you, and no incentive for a contract instead of month-to-month activation.
How it has been say said many times if you want updated software and to run the latest and greatest you buy a nexus device.
Since Google controls the software they get updates the quickest.
If you want discounts on phone, and a phone the carrier supports the features of then you buy a carrier phone which since has a ui overlay like sense and other things to rewrite the software for it takes much longer to do.
HTC was the first phones to get ics update of the carrier phones. Think the sensation was first.
Plus the manufacturer has to make the update first before T-mobile can approve it. T-mobile don't develop the software updates. So also if HTC or any manufacturer don't develop it either you won't get a update.
My Nexus One which is a Google phone just like you get thru play store only got updatedto 2.3 no ice cream sandwich for that phone even though the folks at xda developers proved it can run it.
Let's break that apart:
"How it has been say said many times if you want updated software and to run the latest and greatest you buy a nexus device."
In October of last year I needed a new phone (since my G2 was broken), and was still a year away from contract renewal. The Galaxy Nexus didn't release until in November. Getting a Nexus One was very unattractive, since it neither supported 4G nor had comparable specs to the Amaze4G. My choices were restricted, it was not simply "if you want updates, buy a Nexus". Now, if the next time I need a phone I get a Nexus from Google directly and go contract-free, suddenly other options are availible to me, which is the point I was making above: T-Mobile now has to give us a compelling reason to stay T-Mobile customers. This includes a defined support policy for updates.
"Since Google controls the software they get updates the quickest."
"If you want discounts on phone, and a phone the carrier supports the features of then you buy a carrier phone which since has a ui overlay like sense and other things to rewrite the software for it takes much longer to do."
Yes and no. Nexus devices stay closes to the AOSP spec, if HTC/Samsung/LG/Motorola stopped putting UI and bloatware additions on the phones that they then had to test, they could roll out updates almost as quickly, rather than lagging months and months behind. 4.1 hit AOSP today, and I'm **** sure there will be ROM updates going out to some of the beta ROMs tonight.
T-Mobile (and other carriers) order these phones from the manufacturers. They can push back and start reducing the bloatware problem, but haven't yet. Regardless of the cycle time however, updates to a smart phone are part of what we are buying when we get a device these days, but T-Mobile hasn't been clear and consistent about their policy for delivering this implicit promise.
"HTC was the first phones to get ics update of the carrier phones. Think the sensation was first.
Plus the manufacturer has to make the update first before T-mobile can approve it. T-mobile don't develop the software updates. So also if HTC or any manufacturer don't develop it either you won't get a update."
T-Mobile (and other carriers) pay for the updates. They order them. It's not delivered out of the goodness of HTC/Samsung/LG/Motorola's heart. Thus, if the updates are not forthcoming, the first question I'd ask is: "Did the carrier pay for it?"
"My Nexus One which is a Google phone just like you get thru play store only got updatedto 2.3 no ice cream sandwich for that phone even though the folks at xda developers proved it can run it."
I am, however, only making a statement about the policy they need to clarify and hold to, not begging for indefinite updates. Regardless, you might want to read this ExtremeTech article on why exactly they didn't push ICS to the Nexus One.
I can definitely understand wanting the latest Android OS on your device as quickly as possible. Currently we don't have any information regarding a software update to Jelly Bean (Android 4.1) for the Amaze 4G. Once we do have information, we'll post it into the Software update: HTC Amaze 4G page. We do have some information about what it takes to supply a software update in our Software updates for Android. That page will give you a better understanding of the work we go through to ensure you have a great update experience.
Hope this helps!
i love how tmo_whoever's replys are automattically flagged as correct posts...lol
romzombie andtheartiszantheartiszanboth make good points in their posts. and that's one of the reasons i started this thread. to encourage discussion and sharing about our phone that isn't getting as much love from t-mo - htc - devs as i thought it would. as for sense, i kinda like it. it's what makes a htc phone, well, a htc. same for motorola, lg, samsung. their distinctive ui's are what makes their phones stand out flashwise. and i can deal with that. it's the extra bloatware that's pushed on my the carriers that get my goat. well, think i'm off to xda to see what's new...lol
I could not agree more sobotank. Has anyone noticed how tmo_ian doesn't even own an HTC Amaze 4g -or any other HTC product.
It aggravates me that they have these random CS reps troll the forum and allow them give out completely ambiguous answers and direct you to something you already know....BECAUSE YOU JUST WROTE ABOUT THAT VERY THING IN YOUR POST, but somehow they always miss that part. There may be a conspiracy here... Is T-mo planting tmo-trolls to throw us off the track....feeding us disinformation. "Look at this hand...no ..no..no... not that hand... this hand. There is nothing in that other hand that you need to see. There are only bad things in that other hand. I am here to protect you ......from yourself."
I think I shall nickname them "tmo-trolls" from this point forward. And I think only posters should have the right to accept what is "The Correct answer."