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      • 240. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

        demonr6  do you really believe that it's the bloatware that's causing the delay?  Could you refer to my previous post and address why no other US Galaxy S II variant to this day doen't have ICS?

        • 241. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

          sole factor.. no, contributing.. yes.

          • 242. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

            "  IF ICS was so easy to get working then why haven't the other GSII's on other networks (in the US maket only) been updated? "

             

            Because they're just as guilty of shoveling bloatware onto their phones as well.  Is your argument that we shouldn't be upset about this because other carriers pull this **** too?

             

             

            "The bloatware is marginal."

             

            There are over 20 uncessary apps that I can't uninstall on tmobile's 2.3.6 build of android, and some of those also like to use up RAM.

            • 243. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

              I have to agree.  Google got this out on Samsung hardware 6 months ago with their Nexus line.... no bloatware.  I personally feel like Google and Samsung have some sort of back-end deal to not provide an upgrade so that people will buy the Nexus with Verizon.  I actually switched from Verizon (with the Nexus) back to T-Mobile because I was told by the rep that ICS would be coming soon on the SII.  That was in January!  Do I NEED ICS... No.... Do I want it?  YES.  I want it for many of the same reasons that have been posted here.  There really is no good explanation for Samsung \ TMO \ Google to do this.  And it's all the more reason Apple has a better platform.  Android customers are much more techie, and we like upgrades..... PERIOD!  I don't want the bloatware that takes up memory I want for other things. TMO needs to just get the upgrade out and remove the apps that no-one uses anyway. 

               

              And yes, that's why the other carriers are having an issue too.... they put the same bs software on the phones, and those companies probably need to recompile their code for the new OS.  I can honestly say this will probably be the last android phone I ever buy.  I'll just go to a blackberry.  At least I can rest at night knowing there will never be an upgrade.  For that matter, I'll get a stone tablet, chisel, and some wood for smoke signals.  It's worked for millions of years without a single improvement.

              • 244. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

                No my arguement is that there is nothing at this current time that ICS offers over Gingerbread.  Yet people are ready to riot, for a few minimal upgrades that 85% of people will never use and 90% will complain about because it's different from what's been seen an Android before. 

                Here's an hypothetical question for you all.  If T-Mobile said.  Ok public you've asked for it here it is a bloatware free yet incomplete version of ICS that we won't be held responsible for you decide to upgrade.

                OR

                Wait on a bloatware full fully functioning ICS in another 2 months?  Which would you chose?

                 

                Me personally I'd wouldn't dare (intentionally) trade in my fully functioning, buttery smooth Gingerbread for a buggy incomplete ICS.

                We all want ICS but I think we want it working properly.  The NEXUS is an anominaly because it was designed from the ground up to run ICS.  The GSII is literally being reverse engineered..  I'm just saying no US Galaxy S II has ICS yet.  Let's just enjoy the working phone as it is until we can get the working ICS.

                • 245. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

                  Yeah, but the community would fix the buggy ICS in days.  At least they would have something to work with, with the correct drivers.  And I don't know what buttery smooth gingerbread you have, but my phone does a random reboot once a day, and I am constantly getting out of memory errors and need to clear it out.  I don't think there is a single smartphone yet made that is "buttery smooth".  That includes iphone, windows, blackberry, etc...

                  • 246. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?
                    perfectreign

                    animaleyezz wrote:

                     

                    demonr6  do you really believe that it's the bloatware that's causing the delay?  Could you refer to my previous post and address why no other US Galaxy S II variant to this day doen't have ICS?

                    I think the crapware is definatly causing the delay.

                     

                    Since the ICS was rolled to unlocked SII phones back in - oh - April, you'd think that the delay must necessarily be caused by clonflicting software issues.

                     

                    Now there may be an issue with the TM OTA delivery, but that should only cause a minor delay.

                    • 247. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

                      I'm using GO Launcher and my phone is fabolous.  I have but one real complaint.  Battery life.  But I don't mind so much because of the screen size.  And if you're phone is acting weird or doing something as you described I'd be back in the T-Mobile store ASAP demanding a working one.

                      • 248. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

                        perfectreign wrote:

                         

                        Since the ICS was rolled to unlocked SII phones back in - oh - April,

                         

                         

                        Just one of the reasons my next phone will be the I9300 GS3.

                        • 249. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

                          "No my arguement is that there is nothing at this current time that ICS offers over Gingerbread."

                           

                          The Android 3.x line is what started making real use of multi-core CPUs such as the GS2 has.  Also, Chrome beta is a huge upgrade.  Websockets, SVG, faster HTML5 Canvas, faster JS, and on and on.  Mobile firefox is decent and has a good renderer (not to mention WebGL), but it's hindered by its non-V8 JS engine.

                           

                          "The NEXUS is an anominaly because it was designed from the ground up to run ICS.  "

                           

                          It's a reference implementation. The harware isn't that different.  It's running linux+davlik on top of an ARM just like any other android phone.  It's just not waiting for ports of bloatware because its an unsubsidized direct buy.

                           

                          "The GSII is literally being reverse engineered"

                           

                          No. Not even figuratively.  The Samsung engineers have specs on the hardware they source, and access to the free ICS code.

                          • 250. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

                            Bah!  The "community" has had leaked ICS for ages and virtually every ROM is riddled with bugs.  How's that working out?  And if you all are so fired up for ICS go ahead root and let the "community" help you when you have a problem. 

                             

                            You can please some of the people some of the time... blah blah blah.   Grow up kids, it will get here. 

                            • 251. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

                              I do believe our price rates on cell service is cheaper than most places in the world as well. I took a look @ Canada and the UK and they get raped on data charges. The bloatware everyone is oh so butthurt about, pays for the research and development by the carrier. We are blessed to get the rates we do in the first place. Question being, do you want a 1GB cap on data and back to no unlimited calling like the rest of the world with ultra fast updates or keep your service deals? They really aren't killing it like y'all think. Move out of the USA if you don't like it people and live on slow non upgraded 3g.

                              • 252. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?

                                I'm not that guy.  I don't do coding, websocket, and hubcaps and all that.  What I do know is the Galaxy S II was made to run Gingerbread not ICS.  The Nexus was made for ICS.  This guy knows way more than any of us.

                                Jean-Baptiste Quere and his comments have merit to me because he writes this stuff.  Check out the link and then tell me what you think.

                                • 253. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?
                                  philyew

                                  You do realize that the unlocked GSII and the TM version have different kernels and radios? That require their own testing program. If I'm not mistaken, there was a reference a while back over at TmoNews to the candidate release from Samsung having gone back from testing with a kernel issue.

                                   

                                  TM also offers wifi calling as a specific carrier function not offered by other carriers, Google or Samsung. This hardly qualifies as "crapware", and it needs to work in order to avoid the user experience being critically damaged for many customers who  have come to depend on this feature to address service issues.

                                   

                                  Unfortunately, trying to judge anything about the TM update schedule based on the timetable for the unlocked device is meaningless, and concluding that perceived delays are the result of "crapware" is improbable at best....after all, the bloatware is happily functioning on the HTC devices that have already started to receive their ICS updates.

                                  • 254. Re: ICS update for the T-Mobile Galaxy S2? When?
                                    smplyunprdctble

                                    thetort wrote:

                                     

                                    I have to agree.  Google got this out on Samsung hardware 6 months ago with their Nexus line.... no bloatware.  I personally feel like Google and Samsung have some sort of back-end deal to not provide an upgrade so that people will buy the Nexus with Verizon.  I actually switched from Verizon (with the Nexus) back to T-Mobile because I was told by the rep that ICS would be coming soon on the SII.  That was in January!  Do I NEED ICS... No.... Do I want it?  YES.  I want it for many of the same reasons that have been posted here.  There really is no good explanation for Samsung \ TMO \ Google to do this.  And it's all the more reason Apple has a better platform.  Android customers are much more techie, and we like upgrades..... PERIOD!  I don't want the bloatware that takes up memory I want for other things. TMO needs to just get the upgrade out and remove the apps that no-one uses anyway. 

                                     

                                    And yes, that's why the other carriers are having an issue too.... they put the same bs software on the phones, and those companies probably need to recompile their code for the new OS.  I can honestly say this will probably be the last android phone I ever buy.  I'll just go to a blackberry.  At least I can rest at night knowing there will never be an upgrade.  For that matter, I'll get a stone tablet, chisel, and some wood for smoke signals.  It's worked for millions of years without a single improvement.

                                    If you feel it's better, then why aren't you on it?

                                     

                                    Plain and simple -- not every cell phone is for every person.  Not every platform is for every person.  Not every carrier is for every person.

                                     

                                    Yes, a clean installation of any OS is the "preferred route", but then what sets phone A apart from phone B when there's an option to have it installed anywhere?  Similar to what sets Dell apart from HP?  It's the experience.  Dell provides certain tools "out of the box" that a user may want, along with it's standard bloatware.  HP does the same.  The same can be likened to Samsung's TouchWiz on top of Vanilla Android vs Google's Vanilla vs HTC's Sense.  So, you're not going to get "Vanilla" unless you get a Nexus device (except from the occasional other brand devices out there from LG and that)

                                     

                                    Then, we have various technical specs (camera, processor, storage, etc).  Because the SII camera is different from the Galaxy Nexus is different from the HTC One, etc, there's no "common driver" to use.  Microsoft has been around long enough that they've been able to write "basic" drivers for just about every piece of hardware.  Android has not.  Apple has the same hardware across devices for the most part, so they write a driver for the iPhone, it works on the iPod, the iPad, etc.  Android manufacturers are setting themselves apart from the competition by offering bigger megapixel cameras, better displays, etc -- and the drivers for each of these are unique.

                                     

                                    The short of the matter is Samsung has X devices they're supporting and Y employees to develop the updates for these devices.  They don't get the update code until Google is finished with it.  Apple is "better" in your example because they have ONE platform to work on.  And, yes, you get a better end result when everyone is working on ONE device -- but, look at the technical specs of that device compared to something like the Galaxy SII.  Technically, it's behind, even though it will get a user experience upgrade the same time as the next iOS gets released, provided it has the horsepower to run it, simply because it's standard across-the-board hardware.

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