13 Replies Latest reply: Jan 2, 2012 1:22 PM by oryan_dunn RSS

Hidden WiFi Network issues

Just got the HTC Amaze. Just wondering if anybody elese is having issues connecting to a hidden network?

it connects fine to networks that broadcast their SSID, but I don't. I have already updated the phone to the latest Software and etc.

 

any ideas?

  • 1. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    Although this may not be YOUR issue, setting up hidden wifi networks is generally user error when it fails.

     

    Have you tried changing your SSID to be something shorter, and all lowercase letters?  Or at least ensuring you're typing it exactly as its set up?

     

    Have you reset the router to start from scratch?

  • 2. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    I have reset the router.. I have reset the phone. I know the enetered in the information wifi settings on the phone correctly. I can login to the router change the wifi from not broadcast to broadcast the signal and I can see the phone connect  to the wifi signal.. this tells me the SSID and the security settings are all correct. Then while the phone is connected to the broadcast wifi signal, I can go back to the router change the wifi settings to hidden is watch the signal from the phone disconnect.

  • 3. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    Also so something odd that I have noticed on the phone.. The phone will connect to my hidden network. however it will take hours. reason I say hours is becuase i will leave the phone on at night and see that it is connected to the network in the morning.

  • 4. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    Have you tried connecting your phone to a different router set with hidden SSID?

  • 5. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    I setup my @Home router so that that it broadcast the signal on an open network (no security). I connected to the amaze to the router and it works fine. even after rebooting the device, turning the wifi off and on it picked up the signal. I then reset the router and configure it so that it was an open network, but on a hidden network. The amaze did not pick up the signal at all. When I started the broadcast again it picked up the signal.

     

    So still have an issue, however I could just configure my network so that there is an open network for my guest while broadcasting the wifi signal.

  • 6. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    Out of curiousity, have you tried "forgetting" the network and then setting it up manually once its hidden?

     

    Setting it up while the SSID is showing, and then hiding the SSID could work.. but I'd rather see you try to manually set it from scratch if you have not done that yet.

  • 7. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    yes I have tried performed a master reset on the phone as well as the router. and still can connect when it is broadcasting and unable to connect when hidden.

  • 8. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    And you set it up manually, from scratch right?    As opposed to clicking on the WiFi network while its being broadcasted and then changing it to hidden after the connection has been established..

  • 9. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    Hmmm.. maybe I am thinking too simply here...

     

    Unhide your network?

     

    Is there a particular reason why you hide it? So as long as you have a WEP or similar security, it would be pretty secure.

  • 10. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    Use WPA2 and unhide your network.  Hiding your network only prevents your router from broadcasting the SSID.  If you hide the network, your clients will broadcast the SSID for you, even when they're not in range of your network.

     

    [EDIT] here's an even better, more user friendly link:

    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/28653/debunking-myths-is-hiding-your-wireless-ssid-really-more-secure/

    [/EDIT]

     

    From Microsoft:

     

    Why Non-broadcast Networks are not a Security Feature

    Wireless security consists of two main elements: authentication and encryption. Authentication controls access to the network and encryption ensures that malicious users cannot determine the contents of wireless data frames. Although having users manually configure the SSID of a wireless network in order to connect to it creates the illusion of providing an additional layer of security, it does not substitute for either authentication or encryption.

    A non-broadcast network is not undetectable. Non-broadcast networks are advertised in the probe requests sent out by wireless clients and in the responses to the probe requests sent by wireless APs. Unlike broadcast networks, wireless clients running Windows XP with Service Pack 2 or Windows Server® 2003 with Service Pack 1 that are configured to connect to non-broadcast networks are constantly disclosing the SSID of those networks, even when those networks are not in range.

    Therefore, using non-broadcast networks compromises the privacy of the wireless network configuration of a Windows XP or Windows Server 2003-based wireless client because it is periodically disclosing its set of preferred non-broadcast wireless networks. When non-broadcast networks are used to hide a vulnerable wireless network—such as one that uses open authentication and Wired Equivalent Privacy—a Windows XP or Windows Server 2003-based wireless client can inadvertently aid malicious users, who can detect the wireless network SSID from the wireless client that is attempting to connect. Software that can be downloaded for free from the Internet leverages these information disclosures and targets non-broadcast networks.

    This behavior is worse for enterprise wireless networks because of the number of wireless clients that are periodically advertising the non-broadcast network name. For example, an enterprise wireless network consists of 20 wireless APs and 500 wireless laptops. If the wireless APs are configured to broadcast, each wireless AP would periodically advertise the enterprise’s wireless network name, but only within the range of the wireless APs. If the wireless APs are configured as non-broadcast, each of the 500 Windows XP or Windows Server 2003-based laptops would periodically advertise the enterprise’s wireless network name, regardless of their location (in the office, at a wireless hotspot, or at home).

    For these reasons, it is highly recommended that you do not use non-broadcast wireless networks. Instead, configure your wireless networks as broadcast and use the authentication and encryption security features of your wireless network hardware and Windows to protect your wireless network, rather than relying on non-broadcast behavior.

  • 11. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    Excellent info about the fallacy of hidden SSIDs. Now if I could only get my company's service desk to figure this out

  • 12. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    Well, if your IT guys live and die by what Microsoft says (most IT guys I've known), then here's a direct link to the Microsoft text above:

    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb726942.aspx#EDAA

     

    From above article for Vista (and Win7 I assume):

    "Despite the improvements in non-broadcast network support in Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008, Microsoft recommends against using non-broadcast wireless networks due to the security and privacy concerns described in the “Why Non-broadcast Networks are not a Security Feature” section of this article."

  • 13. Re: Hidden WiFi Network issues

    And

    "Windows Vista allows users to connect to non-broadcast networks from the Connect to a network wizard. When the wireless client receives a Beacon message with a NULL SSID, Windows Vista adds the wireless network to the available network list with the title “Unnamed Network.”"

     

    I like it.  It's not hidden at all, just unnamed, and a PITA at that.