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Low on space

Recently started receiving a "Low on space" warning, however, the memory is far from full. Any way this erroneous warning can be eliminated?

  • 1. Re: Low on space

    To which memory does this refer?  If you open "My Device", what do you see as indicated for "System Memory" and what for "Storage" (available, that is, not total)?

     

    What you need to do is dependent on where the problem lies.

  • 2. Re: Low on space

    Internal memory: 1.81 GB used, 1.24 GB free; SD card: 11.7 GB used, 3.16 GB free. In MyDevice, it indicates System memory: 155 MB, 141 MB used, 13 MB available, however it further indicates under Storage:  "0% No SD Card available" - even though I have an SD card installed.

  • 3. Re: Low on space

    At first blush, I think it's the decreasing System Memory causing your notification.  At 13 MB free, you're well in the zone at which the phone may no longer be receiving text messages (might want to check by send yourself one).  Other weird behavior is certainly possible at these levels of free memory.  Indeed, this may be the cause of your message saying "No SD card available" which I also reall seeing with mine (but then I got down to 5 MB or less ). 

     

    I'm going to try to suggest some possible ways to increase the System Memory that do not require you to do a Master Reset.  A master reset can take a considerable amount of time to actually do and it seems we always forget to back up something (usernames/passwords/caches/data) that you're then going to have to laboriously work through on your own.  Furthermore, if your GARMINfone has been unlocked, you'll have to redo the unlock stuff all over again.  So, a Master Reset should be treated as a last resort.

     

    But first, are you running Android 1.6 or Android 2.1?  If you're running 2.1, when and how did you do the upgrade?

     

    • Next, go to Menu | Settings | Storage | Default Storage and check to see that it's set to the SD card.  If it isn't, set Default Storage to SD card.  (This will only affect subsequent storage options, as I understand it; it won't move anything already installed to Internal Storage.)
    • Once this is done, use a backup option (mostly available from 3rd party vendors) to back up everything possible to the SD card.  This should include contacts, e-mails, applications, and apps data.  (Not all 3rd party apps back up everything.)  You do this just in case you mess up in what follows and need to recover something.  Some of these apps will actually back up to the Cloud or to your PC as an additional hedge, so don't forego also doing that if the option is presented to you. 
    • Open the Marketplace app, select "My apps" and go through the list carefully and eliminate all apps that YOU YOURSELF installed that you no longer use (or only use very seldomly; you can always re-install the latter later if necessary).  Write down what you remove -- against, just in case.  This is probably the best way to do this in that it's most likely to also get any associated data or settings which may be taking up System Memory. If you select an app that doesn't give you an Uninstall option, it's probably one installed by default by T-Mobile or Garmin- Asus and you can't do anything about these without rooting the phone (which voids the warranty). 
    • Open every installed e-mail, Instant Messaging, or texting app that you have installed.  On the e-mail apps, 'empty trash' needs to be run.  On text messaging, delete all threads that you have no need to retain.  (Ditto on Skype).  Open every installed browser and proceed to 'clear cache' and 'clear history'.  (Different browsers have different stores.)  You may also find you have other apps that have been unnecessarily caching content (and often in System Memory).  For example, I have a "Comic Strip" app that I was surprised once to find had 10 MB of old comic strips cached!
    • Now we get to the really mundane garbage collection, select Settings | Applications | Application Management | Manage Applications . . . It may take a minute or more for this to populate your list of installed applications (and the list unfortunately includes system apps).  This will give you a very long, comprehensive list of installed apps and you need to work your way through it methodically.  If you run across any apps that YOU YOURSELF installed (and no longer use), but missed in the earlier step, this is a good second chance to remove (uninstall) them, if this option is available.  Otherwise, it's a matter of going through apps that you recognize and removing associated data and cache that may be chewing up System Memory.  You will see a lot of apps only indicated by fairly obscure names and marked with an Android system icon on a cube; leave these alone.  Now, there are third-party utilities that allow you to do this faster, but they also often give you the option to removing system applications that can render the device inoperable, so I tend to avoid them. 
    • That's about all the cleanup I can think of at the moment, so it's now time to see what you've managed to accomplish.  Do a long press on the power button (top of the device) and then answer YES to "Power off the device?" query.  Remove the back of the device and then remove the battery carefully.  Keep the battery out for 30 seconds to a minute, then reinsert it, put the back on, and power up.  Go back to "my device" and check System Memory again to see if all this work has actually accomplished anything.

    If you're now finding 15 to 25 MB free, you should be good to go.  If not, then it's time for us to talk about a Master Reset.

     

    Hope this helps.

  • 4. Re: Low on space

    Thanks for the advice, however, it appears that the problem is simply that MyDevice was misreading the actual amount of internal memory available. Internal memory (when calculated & observed through other means), although showing only 13MB available in MyDevice, was actually 5-10 times that amount. For some, unknown reason, MyDevice was reading it as mostly used. A Master reset corrected the problem, and even MyDevice reads the internal memory correctly now. System memory: 155 MB total, 16 MB used, 138 MB available

  • 5. Re: Low on space

    No, what System Memory was telling you, before you did the Master Reset was correct.  What you saw after doing the Master Reset is exactly what doug47 and I previously experienced.  It's just that you've now wiped out all the user apps you'd installed and will now need to reinstall them.  As you reinstall your apps (unless you were simply suffering from the residue of a lot of apps that you'd previously installed and subsequently deleted), you'll start to see the used System Memory start to creep up and the available System Memory slowly decrease (again, as both doug47 and I have previously documented). 

     

    Not sure exactly why so much garbage tends to accumulate in System memory but apparently the Memory Manager implemented in Android for the GARMINfone does a lousy job of avoiding the problem, regardless of what some would have you believe.

  • 6. Re: Low on space

    I think the latter is the case. Checking internal/system memory using a different app, revealed the true state of memory usage BEFORE I did the Master reset. MyDevice was simply reading the memory incorrectly (and may have been reading the memory which lingered after numerous apps were previously deleted over the past few months). It may be reading memory despite deletions, meaning, it is reading memory by ignoring deletions. The Garminfone software & hardware architecture are archaic - and were not designed to operate efficiently under Android v.2.1. Like I have been saying ever since I bought the Garminfone - it's a piece of ****!!!

  • 7. Re: Low on space
    doug47

    jvmorris wrote:

     

    Not sure exactly why so much garbage tends to accumulate in System memory but apparently the Memory Manager implemented in Android for the GARMINfone does a lousy job of avoiding the problem, regardless of what some would have you believe.

    If I were to guess, I would call it "memory leaks" as the routines seem to allocate memory, but do a poor job of deallocating it.  Of course, I don't do Android programming, so I could be totally off.

     

    The bottom line for me is removing apps does NOT seem to free up memory.  The only way to free memory is to do a Master Reset.  Looks like I will get to do that once every 6-12 months.

  • 8. Re: Low on space
    doug47

    One thing I did find that actualy helped my memory situation is to "clean out" your e-mail.  Now you can try & delete all the various messages, but I find that simply deleting your account (or in my case, accounts), and reentering them can free A LOT of memory. Email went from 20 MB to 1 MB when I did that today.  My total memory use went from 34% to 21% instantly.  Note, you have to reboot after deleting all your accounts.

  • 9. Re: Low on space

    Probably a good idea (for some readers) to point out that 'deleting' an e-mail doesn't really delete it; you have to 'empty the trash' in most deleted message folders to physically remove the messages.

  • 10. Re: Low on space

    I don't suppose anyone has rooted the Garminfone without loss of functionality?  Curious whether doing so would solve the persistent memory issue.

  • 11. Re: Low on space

    I think you're going to need to ask in a forum not hosted by T-Mobile to find out about rooting the GARMINfone!

     

    If you think about it, that makes sense.

     

    For what it's worth, I've not yet run across anything about rooting the GARMINfone, but I have seen discussions and 'how-to' instructions on how to root other (and usually far more popular) Android phones.

  • 12. Re: Low on space

    Haha!

     

    I certainly wasn't expecting a response from a T-mobile rep - but I suppose I wouldn't be surprised to see suppression either.

  • 13. Re: Low on space

    You could inquire at the Android forum on DSL Reports,  http://www.dslreports.com/forum/android, but I think I may well be the only GARMINfone user there.

     

    On the other hand, they certainly allow discussions of rooting there.

  • 14. Re: Low on space
    doug47

    jvmorris wrote:

     

    Probably a good idea (for some readers) to point out that 'deleting' an e-mail doesn't really delete it; you have to 'empty the trash' in most deleted message folders to physically remove the messages.

    I ran into the problem that deleting messages put all of them in the trash, and then trying to delete ALL of the messages in the trash took a LONG time.  It turns out to be quicker (for me, at least), to just delete my accounts now & then to free up the memory.  With three different e-mail accounts (including my work account), I get A LOT of mail in a day.

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