There is a free program / app out there called 'Mobile Voip' for Windows Phones.... is this not what you are searching for?
Hi here everyone,
I was told, but a tmobile rep, that wp7 , WILL get wifi calling for mango, when 'it is out of beta'. Unless I was lied to , and I really really hope I was not, because I am a current tmobile customer, and that would be bad,- then I assume this topic has gotten out of control due to a lack of knowledge , which is really too bad.
I want confirmation of this immediately.
Do whatever you need to do, but verify it. I can only assume I was not lied to, that I was given correct information, and that this 'beta' for wifi calling on WP7 is just known to few reps, and that a mistake has been made.
I also want to reiterate what others are saying, that android is kinda rotten hardware/OS ( not to mention its fragmentation that i've read about) ( I tried a lg optimus T and was not happy with dropped calls and horrible battery life, with nothing on that would have forced bad battery life ) ,and that IF tmobile is impeding wp7 support for this feature, they should be ashamed. I hope this is Just an issue of lacking education of rep,s to this wifi beta issue. I want to use wp7,not android
To end on a theoretical positive note, I found this:
Hi tneals, that is an interesting article on the possibility that the future will include wifi calling on Windows Phone.
However, there is nothing in development that I am aware of that will deliver this feature in the near term on the current Mango version of the OS, and there has been no communication to any employees to this effect, so unfortunately you were given inaccurate information by the representative you spoke to.
T-Mobile is not impeding this feature coming to the Windows Phone platform, we very much want it to be there and as you read in the article that you linked to, we will continue to work with microsoft to do so. There is no timeline for this.
From what you have said, you're not denying that the feature is in current development ,as clearly given by your 'near term' comment, yet you claim I was given false infornmation by a rep. I also found this: http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/t-mobile-makes-wi-fi-calling-free-shops-service-public-safety/2011-05-17 , so while it does not matter to me at all , that it is 'near term' , I just wanted verification that the 'beta development' comment a rep mentioned to me was correct or not. Is there anything in beta , or maybe you simply just aren't in the loop of 'need to know's ' ?
This matters, because it will gauge my decision on what phone I go with, in the short term , and then later sell if need be for my preferred platform of choice, the awesome WP7! ( I've tried android, and Im not impressed comparatively speaking)
Sorry if my comment was vague - was not my intention. The info you received was incorrect based on the fact that there is no confirmation internally that this feature is coming any time soon, so it had to be speculation on the part of the person you spoke to.
I am personally not aware of any ongoing development regarding this feature for upcoming WP sw releases or products, so my recommendation to you is completely based on minimizing your potential future frustration on the assumption that the feature might come, regardless of the timeline. If you are looking to make a purchase decision in the near term, i strongly recommend basing it on the current state which has no wifi calling on Windows Phone.
As I live in an area where network coverage is spotty, I have used wifi calling on many different android products with no issues, so in that sense i can recommend those if that is a priority feature for you, but I do agree the OS are vastly different in many ways and i also like Windows Phones quite a bit.
Hope this was helpful to you.
We are still talking around each other it would seem
To say there is no confirmation, given:
" Surprisingly Joshua Lonn, Direct of Product Development at T-Mobile said the company was also working to move the service onto the Windows Phone 7 devices at some point in the future. " , is really a embarrasing half answer for tmobile I think. Either they stopped development on this feature for wp7 , or its still active, just not 'done' . A time line of some type would be nice, for people wanting to spend their cash on devices they like, instead of ones they do not like.
Either something major has changed, and will I guess in the interim force me to use android ( which I do not think Microsoft is going to appreciate too horribly much ? ) or tmobile reps aren't being informed about this consistently,
given what I was told on the phone a few weeks ago.
I do not want to hear anymore words like ' near term or anytime soon, because they mean nothing to people like us looking for direct answers from people we trust as our provider. Either tmobile decided not to support it, meaning I will call microsoft and find out what is going on, or the answer, as the rep told me that day, is 'its in beta ' , and as he told me it might not be for a year'ish, but given he told me its in beta, which seems to conform to what Joshua Lonn said, it would seem that its more than speculation ?
Sorry to seem so insistent on this, but I like wp7 that much, and would rather not be stuck with android. That is not very good customer serivce
I second everything you have said and I am in the exact same situation as you except I was told wifi calling worked in store (the girl also called a "windows phone" expert to check). I am fed up of being told to use android so that T-mobile can monitor me using carrier IQ.
After T-mobile tried telling me wp7 could not support the feature I spoke to Kineto the developer of the application for the android devices and they stated "We are ready, willing and able to support WP7"
I now expect a generic t-mobile answer of “nothing in development” from front line support
Its sad that we receive such terrible service at a time when t-mobile needs every customer they can get.
Ouch, I had forgotten all about this entirely. Thank you for reminding me, and given this:
A piece of keystroke-sniffing software called Carrier IQ has been embedded so deeply in millions of HTC and Samsung-built Android devices that it’s tough to spot and nearly impossible to remove, as 25-year old Connecticut systems administrator Trevor Eckhart revealed in a video Tuesday. "
from: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2011/11/30/phone-rootkit-carrier-iq-may-have-violated-wiretap-law-in-millions-of-cases/ , truly ( without sounding like a pessimist ) worries me. WHo among us is comfortable taking chances about such things ? I know many love android,and I get that, but many love wp7 too, and this issue here about IQ , most certainly raises the bar extremely HIGH, to asking tmobile/microsoft/whomeverelse to get off their duffs and make this happen. It doesn't matter that its only HTC and Samsung, because now I have serious heavy doubts about the entire android line given " tough to spot and nearly impossible to remove " .
To reiterate, I take my security very seriously, as Im sure millions & millions of others do as well.
Given the content of this page: http://www.aclu.org/national-security/bush-wiretapping-program-violates-federal-laws-and-constitution-says-aclu , I would suggest that others do too, therefore this should give clear indication to tmobile, that many will view this as serious enough to question the entire line.
It's a good thing this conversation continued, as I would have totally missed that. The irony does not escape me, that while windows is always the brunt of jokes about security, yet now we see android infected with security threats, that might not be removeable. Isn't life interesting....I can only imagine how this is going to unfold overall.
No answer is more like it, apparently, though given the Carrier IQ issue, I remain rather surprised, as I thought tmobile took our security, a tad more seriously.
Consumers like us, take such issues, like Carrier IQ &/or wifi calling stalling into account, when we consider switching carriers.
TMobile has the best plans by far for me atm, but money might soon play second fiddle to other issues , at least for me. Lately, I've even had snippy customer service people, which I find a bit distasteful, given at least they HAVE a job
I don't want to sound, unappreciative, as I do defintely appreciate Tmobiles lower prices on plans, but I do not appreciate stalling on features, especially in light of developers apparent 'willingness' to support that feature, the phone maker apparently heavily desiring to 'increase its user base ?', and 'security issues' that especially give his all second thoughts about what we do, and how we do it.
I take my security very seriously, and I do my homework, watch CNN and am very non naive to said threat. Tmobile can downplay it all they want, but the fact remains, that wp7 is now highly desireable for security , and for me , a wonderful user experience. IF it sounds like an ad, Im sorry,but that is how I feel right now
There is a very simple answer to why Wi-Fi calling is not going to happen under the current version of Windows Phone 7.5... Wi-Fi calling is a background app. Just like the new Skype app, it is limited to running as an active app only... Which would mean, yes, you could get support for Wi-Fi calling out, but unless you leave the phone "on" and active with the Wi-Fi calling app open (and not doing anything else with the phone) you would miss incoming calls.
Skype is close to coming out of beta, so don't worry too much as it is a good solution for outgoing calls. Once the kinks are worked out with that, we should see some Wi-Fi calling solutions for outgoing calls from 3rd party devs - but without true multi-tasking support, Windows Phone will probably be skipped by the "feature" of Wi-Fi calling by T-Mobile.
waazzupppp wrote: There is a very simple answer to why Wi-Fi calling is not going to happen under the current version of Windows Phone 7.5... Wi-Fi calling is a background app. Just like the new Skype app, it is limited to running as an active app only... Which would mean, yes, you could get support for Wi-Fi calling out, but unless you leave the phone "on" and active with the Wi-Fi calling app open (and not doing anything else with the phone) you would miss incoming calls.
WP 7.5 does support background applications I believe they call it "Background Agents" and offers a few options when it comes to multitasking, although this is still probably one of the largest obstacles
waazzupppp wrote: Skype is close to coming out of beta, so don't worry too much as it is a good solution for outgoing calls. Once the kinks are worked out with that, we should see some Wi-Fi calling solutions for outgoing calls from 3rd party devs - but without true multi-tasking support, Windows Phone will probably be skipped by the "feature" of Wi-Fi calling by T-Mobile.
Im not sure how many times myself and other are going to have to say this but we do not want skype or tango internet based calling solutions. we cant Wifi calling that is the routing of our actual cell calls to our phone using a wifi router rather than a cell tower because lets face it T-mobiles signal is weak at best in a lot of areas
I got ya Kieran, but what you need to remember is that as API's are written and working for a program like Skype and Tango - and the bugs are found and worked out - 3rd party dev's will start deconstructing the code and creating a new system. I can compare this to Android since that's what I came to WP from...
SIPDroid is a full VoIP solution. It is an App that is part of the old GoogleLabs program. Once SIPDroid broke the barrier, a ton of VoIP options came out for Android... Skype, GrooVeIP, Tango, Qik and many others. It took one to get it right before 15 came on the market.
There is actually a cheat system you can set up using GVMax, FreeCall and forwarding to get your VoIP solution now, but it's far from 'good' and has plenty of issues with connection - but it is a start.
As far as the background tasks go, the background agents basically poll data when needed (like Slacker, HTC Hub, etc...) but they do not truly run in the background. If you've ever had the problem of Slacker not playing the next song when the screen is dark or Hub not refreshing until it is 'reopened' you will see what I mean. Sure, the App is still active, but it's not truly running. I have a feeling that our Windows 8 update will have full multitasking support (or at least a full background agent operation mode) but until then, the best we will have is something like outgoing calls only.
Hopefully I'm wrong, but I wouldn't expect a solution for Wi-Fi calling from T-Mobile (they only have 2 supported devices at the moment running WP) until they see how the Nokia phones push into the market.
I spoke to Kineto who have developed the wifi-calling apps for t-mobile some time ago they believed it was indeed possible. Although I personally dont program for phones I am a programmer and in my opinion deconstructing is not a professional way to develop an application its something that a small developer may do but not something at this level (in my opinion)
Without delving too deep into this the windows phone 8 update is still unconfirmed for wp 7 handsets so this may or may not happen (to my knowledge). The change from 7 to 8 will bring a kernel change from essentially CE to NT which in my opinion will bring many benefits.
I think most people are frustrated by being misled by sales staff and in my own personal t-mobile wifi calling story i spoke to 5 different staff on the phone and got sent to a store to get a new sim card etc over a 2 day period. Only to finally reach a staff member with some knowledge and be told that the sales girl was wrong (even though she called their windows phone expert to check for me). also I was then insulted by being offered $5 credit for my inconvenience
T-mobiles lack of a real answer is the biggest let down to its customers
Yeah, I understand. Going into a T-Mobile store now is as bad as an AT&T store. T-Mo is all Galaxy S2 or Amaze, AT&T is still all iPhone... They only sell what's in their pocket and they don't have a clue about the functionality of the rest of the devices in the store. I guess I never wondered if Wi-Fi calling was available since I was told it was not...
As far as using the API's - that's normal for programming. Once one person figures it out, the rest get the API's and make it work with their systems as well.
the lack of wifi calling feature on WP7 is the only reason I am not recommending the WP platform to people looking to buy a new phone on tmo network.
Wifi calling feature has become such essential feature of tmobile that its straight up unwise to buy a phone on their network that doesnt support the feature.
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